"It's the connections up and down the supply chain. I spent many years working with some of the biggest consumer companies on eliminating deforestation from their supply chains," he says. "You've got incredible challenges and how you send signals up and down, and the solutions will only come through genuinely finding solutions that work for everybody." The long time goal has been to not exceed a 1.5 C increase over pre-industrial times. Are we an attract to do that? It's interesting. We're recording this a little after COP 27 and Sean will shake the climate cop.