There's justit, particularly healt care, but inclusive design in general, there's just, 's just so much there ind

its so much that applies to designers working on all sorts of design challenges, not just design challenges that are explicitly about multimodality, absolutely.

And and like a point i made a couple of days ago at its hack, some asked like, how do you want this book to affect people? And one point it made was like, hay, every you know gand back, is that the change that the pandemics caused, and the changes to our assumptions i used to design for the gates foundation, like the experiences in conference rooms and making for tat, like when we bring everybody into a room for a very important meeting, that everything would go smoothly. White boards aren't really a thing, right? Are people going to touch white board marketers any more? Are people going to touch the in room consuls that we spent so much time working on? Like, what what do we do now? Like, how do we get around that problem? And when we talk about inclusivity, it's horrible. But coved is a disability factory, you know, long covid and the impact is having to people's mobility. The problems are getting bigger and they're getting more and so there's a lot of potential here, and there's here's a lot of need. Well,

it seems like it's the right book for the right time. So thank you so much for sharing it with us. Charil, where can folks follow up with you?

Well, the good news is, lots of places, cause i'm addicted to social media. So i have two accounts to choose for a mon twitter, if you want everything the tweets, i am funny godmother. And that's a mix of my design work, but also just random musings, some stuff on improve everything. But if yo you just want design focused content, you can follow me at idea plats, my company account. I'm also on tick tak as funny godmother, which is a mix of design content, also talking about my time of vilio games. There's a series very popular talking about stories that time. And funny godmother an instigram, my company web site, idea plats. You can go there to see those worksheets i described if you want to see a taste of what the crow workshop work sheets might look like for you, and see examples of some of my past talks. There's a lot of lynks to pass videos from some of my past talks about voice, design, et cetera. And of course, gerold platts dot com if you're curious about my career, other trivial bits like that, or want to see embarrassing vidias of me doing past acting stuff. So tha, that's all there, too. Fantastic.

Thank you so much for being with us. Cer, thank

you. This is a really fun conversation. Who's grog to be here fore. And

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