"I used to smoke and drink, right? And my life and spend," he says. "In those years, I didn't necessarily manage money well because that's part of what being human is." He was able to make a life for himself despite doing those things; no one was sitting over his shoulder going, Hey, this is why you're poor, right? That's a very bizarre judgment".
Pulitzer Prize winning sociologist, professor at Princeton University and author of the book Evicted: Poverty and Profit in the American City, Matthew Desmond joins Adam this week to discuss the physical effects poverty has on the people living in it, the lack of a national conversation about the housing crisis, and how the "American Dream" story is hurting us.
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