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EP5: An Interview with Kari Jobe Carnes & Cody Carnes

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The Importance of Humility in Song Publishing

I think the biggest thing is just to make sure that you're not opening doors for yourself or trying to trying to push them up in. If God opens the doors then God's the one that sustains it and you kind of just get to ride this wave that God has put you in with the wind at your back. I don't know it was a miracle but something that definitely we couldn't have done ourselves. The tension is we're taught through the Bible to humble ourselves and yet suddenly you've got a job that you have to promote yourself or you have to. You'd rather there were like hundred people rather than four people on every night if there are, isn't it? It

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