12. Derren Brown — Magic, Happiness, and Skepticism
The Michael Shermer Show
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Do You Believe in Theatrical Readings?
"I'm honest about my dishonesty, but I try and create something where I'm leaving people going," he says. "The trouble with debunking is that historically it's just not that interesting to go... The moment it's just that, then you can go, oh, well, but the psychic eyes, she didn't just do that." He adds: "Self deception is a lot of, a part of it ... Even while admitting, like Geller would always say, yes, I have to cheat sometimes".
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