"I really appreciate the tenor of our conversation so far because it has to do with God reaching down into the ordinary to point us to something so much greater," he says. "Think of how far God has gone in order to give assurance that his covenant promise is true, not just for people in general, but for you." You're listening to us talk about this. This is not theory. This is God loving you so much he not only gave his only begotten son,. But you say, how can I go to him? How can I get this? Climb up to heaven or go down into the depths? No, no, no,No. I'm going to

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