The Movement of 2020 Is Settled Into the Fibers of People

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I think that the picture that is painted where it's like Democrats talk about race and therefore lose white voters again starts the story about 50 years too late because white voters were lost in 1964. But, and it is important to a really important constituency that is of course growing for there to be an understanding that today in America, a black college graduate has less household wealth than a white high school dropout. And we've got to be adult enough to own that without anybody who's white fearing that that means Armageddon for them.

Heather McGhee is an author and policy advocate with a focus on reducing inequality. She is Board Chair for the organization Color Of Change and a former CEO of the think tank Demos. McGhee is the author of The Sum of Us: What Racism Costs Everyone and How We Can Prosper Together .

In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Heather McGhee discuss why progress for one ethnic group need not come at the expense of another; how racial animus has been used in the past to divide Americans who share fundamental interests; and whether the recent focus on "race-sensitive" public threatens to reignite zero-sum competition between different racial groups.

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