Intro

Work with me 1-on-1 If you're a top performing executive or entrepreneur who wants a fully customized comprehensive health protocol and support from a team of world-class specialists, click here to speak with a member of my team to review all of your goals and options: https://www.muscleintelligence.com/apply?utm_campaign=YT What happens after you reach the goal you thought would fulfill you? In this episode, Ben Pakulski sits down with Mike O'Hearn for a raw, honest conversation about masculinity, discipline, bodybuilding, and purpose. They explore why chasing titles, fame, or approval often leaves men empty and how the real transformation happens in the process, not the podium. From training for longevity and being an athlete at 80, to raising resilient kids and rebuilding the brotherhood in fitness, this episode challenges everything modern culture gets wrong about success. If you care about strength, legacy, and becoming a complete man, this conversation will hit hard.

5 Bullet Points:

• Why chasing outcomes destroys fulfillment
• The second mountain every man faces
• Training for life, not trophies
• Discipline creates identity, not fame
• Raising resilient, capable humans

About Ben Ben Pakulski is the Chief Performance Officer to elite executives, successful entrepreneurs, and top athletes.With over 25 years of experience, he coaches high achievers to build the physical, psychological, and metabolic resilience required to lead at the highest level. As the creator of the Muscle Intelligence framework, Ben specializes in aligning biology and behavior to drive sustained peak performance. His mission is to redefine what's possible for people in their prime and push the boundaries of human potential.

Guest Bio Mike O'Hearn is a legendary American athlete, bodybuilder, actor, and lifelong advocate for physical culture done right. With a career spanning powerlifting, bodybuilding, television, film, and elite athletic performance, Mike is best known for blending strength, longevity, and character. A former Mr. Universe, American Gladiator icon, and competitive lifter across multiple disciplines, he has remained competitive and athletic for decades by prioritizing movement, discipline, and purpose over shortcuts. Beyond the physique, Mike is deeply respected for his integrity, mentorship, and commitment to family values. He represents an old-school standard of excellence: earn your place, respect the process, and build a body that serves your life, not the other way around.

Time Stamps: 00:00 - Intro & Dosing Stories 00:46 - Dark Side of Bodybuilding 02:25 - Life Lessons & Mentorship 06:20 - Bodybuilding Journey 11:10 - Process Over Outcome 31:42 - Parenting & Childhood Influences 32:44 - Trauma & Success 36:31 - Brotherhood in Bodybuilding & Jiu-Jitsu 39:52 - Teaching Habits to Kids 44:08 - Balance in All Areas of Life 01:01:25 - Behavior vs. Nutrition 01:02:08 - Training Challenges on the Road 01:03:31 - Athleticism vs. Bodybuilding 01:14:00 - Raising Authentic Children 01:23:46 - Frameworks for Success