"I got into recovery at 24 years old and I hate to say 52, right? And so I mean, I've been watching some people change and other people not for a long, long time," she says. "What I have seen is people who show up and put in effort who appear to have some degree of insight because they wouldn't be there putting in the effort if they didn't have some insight or they can pair it back some insight maybe." She adds that when we have lower insight, we also tend to have a lower empathy and a lower maturity. 'We don't do a great job in mental health'

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