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John mc warder teaches linguistics, american studies and music history at columbia university. He's a contributing editor at the atlantic, hosts of slates lexicon, a podcast. The subject of this conversation is his new book called the elect the e at. We talk about reparations, police violence, white life matter movement, anti-racism books,. And why there are 13 % black congressmen and so forth.

Dr. Shermer speaks with John McWhorter about his new online book on how the antiracism movement poses a threat to progressive America. Shermer and McWhorter discuss: antiracism as a religion; the 3 waves of antiracism; the antiracism trinity: Ta-Nehisi Coates, Robin DiAngelo, Ibram X. Kendi; white fragility; Black Lives Matter; systemic racism (incarceration rates, housing, jobs, income, etc.); reparations; George Floyd, Tony Timpa and police violence; the N-word and language as violence; and Third Wave Antiracism catechism.