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Seeking Refuge in a Hostile World, with Sally Hayden
Intelligence Squared
The Greatest Challenge to Humanity of the 20th Century
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I think that it's really a test of people's humanity, because we're really seeing the worst of our humanity as people who are living in the rich world. For me, i'm a journalist, you know, i don't have all the answers, but i want people to know the consequences of a of our policies. So many efforts are being made to shut out people and and literally incarcerate them, and sometimes sentencing them to death, effectively. And i think that all europeans should be aware of this. Even the british have been involved in training the libyan coast guardas well. So it isn't a separate issue.
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