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A Portrait of Taylor Swift, Miss Americana

Into It: A Vulture Podcast with Sam Sanders

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The Meaning of Taylor Swift as a Pop Star

"I feel like when you really think about what Taylor Swift means, she's harder to nail down than it might seem," says Katy Perry. "She comes from a place where disclosure is always crafted so minutely that you can read it as a universal no matter how personal it gets." The singer-songwriter has two rival impulses within her: the high achiever who wants to craft the perfect song and the one who looks to genius elders for advice.

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