The camera connection kit with like direct into like USB into a phone might be better it might work because the phone gained the ability to import off camera connection kit a few software versions ago. I'm glad to report. Yeah laptop with an SD card so I can just take the card out and shove it in. The cameras both offer a Wi-Fi feature and they have companion apps and their third party apps for at least the Ricoh that I tried also  I don't know if Fuji has third parties. These all work in the ancient way that that we've had forever which is the camera creates its own Wi-Fi network the app joins it and then it tries to transfer photos over