Robin: What is the psychology that makes a occult leader? And then i suppose the second question is that, what's the Psychology that makes one more susceptible to being a cult member? Robin: I think both of those quite difficult questions to ask. People intuitively know that things aren't a hundred % as they want to describe them, and they don't want to be kind of found out. A little bit of carris cariler is good for you. Too much carile a probably iner is a disaster. So i thank you so much, robin, for for the conversation. The book is ow religion envolved and why it indures, is well worth the