I really feel that when we get into a mode of trying to hit milestones that are extrinsic that it really can undermine our our love of what we're doing. But if we keep going and we can reframe what those external rewards are in part by just realizing that they're so transient compared to the delight that we can experience. It's very clear that you have a ton of grit and hard work clearly went into it. I think that word talent can be a little bit misleading, right? So we want to underscore the fact that you've worked incredibly hard. And no one could take those two things away from me like as a cognitive scientist as a podcaster or as a musician

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