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#41 - Parenting, Epistemology, and EA (w/ Lulie Tanett)

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The Problem With Bayesian Nism

One interesting thing that Bayesian Nism tends to leave open at least According to the to discussions I've had with proponents is like where the ideas are coming from in the first place. It's just it's open about the fact that we don't know and we're just guessing and you know There's some module in our brain that we have yet to figure out that has some creative elements that and so we we guess stuff So yeah, I would say that my ideas fairly closely match David Deutsch's but there's a bunch of things where he hasn't really kind of covered it properly before or there's some kind of conflict between his thinking and mine. But one of them actually is the

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Speaker 3
I mean one interesting thing that Bayesian Nism tends to leave open at least According to the to discussions I've had with proponents is like where the ideas are coming from in the first place and presumably that You know, we have to talk about the brain at that level Um, it seems like they're often interested in Formulating like given what your conjectures that you have now given the theories that you have now How do you optimize over them in in belief space? Like which one should you believe given the evidence? But I don't actually see that much discussion of like where are the new ideas coming from? Like how are we generating them? I mean, it's not like preparingism really has an answer there either It's just it's open about the fact that we don't know and we're just guessing and you know There's some module in our brain that we have yet to figure out that has some creative elements that and so we we guess stuff But I don't know if Bayesianism taught like I know there's the Bayesian brain hypothesis But I just like I'm not that familiar with but does it actually provide I guess yeah, is the Bayesian brain hypothesis at the level of like optimizing over beliefs? Or is it at the level of telling us where our ideas are coming from?
Speaker 2
I think it's it's a full it's trying to be a full description of the human brain So so like everything that human the human brain does is just a consequence of Bayesian updating I'm curious if you have criticisms of
Speaker 3
CR Critic rationalism as it exists either as a philosophy or as a community And so like I've definitely I try not to consider myself as like I an either camp I've had like enough disagreements with people from from either side that I don't think I can be a proponent of full-on view But yeah, I'm curious if you have disagreements with CR sort of as it's practiced
Speaker 1
It's difficult to say What CR actually is like especially if you're taking in the community because you know It's it's a bunch of different people with different ideas. You know, Deutsch had different ideas from Popper I have different ideas from from both of them and and then there's sort of the wider like everyone else I think there are so I would say that my ideas fairly closely match David Deutsch's but there's a bunch of things where I Like like there's some subtle stuff on like psychology and emotions and stuff like that that either It hasn't really kind of covered it properly before or there's some kind of conflict Between like the way that I've been thinking about things and the the way that David Deutsch thinks about things I like one of them actually is the value of community and of like movements and stuff so I'm actually quite pro community and movements and and like having a thing that you're kind of all doing together and and having shared meaning making and I Think the at least used to be kind of more of a oh, well, you know, it's just ideas and so Let's let's not talk about like the people involved. Let's let's just talk about the ideas and keep it at an ideas level um, but But but community is great and that helps you learn ideas and stuff So that's one of the things and are there
Speaker 2
others? I'd love to go into this a bit more Um, I think you had mentioned psychology and some of the
Speaker 1
stuff there So yeah, I would just love to hear more about where you think you disagree with Deutsch and papa Yeah, like it's difficult to say sort of disagree versus There are just areas of thought that David Deutsch hasn't like talked about or thought about um, and so yeah, there's some stuff like I know that he has a generally anti anger Uh view and I've been digging into like emotional integration and how like all of your emotions are welcome and And anger has a value and and that sort of thing. Um, so that might be one Uh, yeah, I don't know I'd have to I'd have to think about it because it'll be like quite subtle issues So should we move towards the tcs stuff?

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