Jazz used to be more than 75% of American popular music, he says. That would be at the height of the swing era and the light 30s and early 40s. As Bebop came in, "representative painting moved to abstract expressionism," he says. The fact that it isn't malleable is part of life: It all happens and all decays,. And mechanical reproduction permits us to live with Louis Armstrong, whose heyday in the 20s, 30s, 40s and 50s and 60s are still here.

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