Sally Kohn: I have uncovered the pattern in my life that about every five years I go through a cycle of burnout and depression. She says people were desperate for an alternative to either hustle culture, entrepreneurial, ambition, girl boss culture or sort of a productivity nihilism as Charlie Gilkey just put it to me today. "There's got to be a place where we can say, yes, I want to grow. I want to be ambitious," she says.

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