The Alchemy of Joaquin

I was definitely thinking about what kind of alchemy might come out of that. And you know, it turned out to not be as like radical as I expected because Joaquin really is very technical. The trick was we have to keep him extremely real and really grounded. That was my reading on it was that the best way to render like the obnoxious calamities of daily life was just to have the loudest, most theatrical people in the world delivering words at you nonstop. So I, I thought it was just amazingly effective.