Luke: For me i think it's a funny subject but maybe that's just because i'm english and i don't quite see what the problem is. He says he can understand their criticisms but at the same time it's sort of trivial enough for it to be the subject of a jokeReally it's not it's not really serious but unfortunately in many cases when i've spoken to this with student spoken about this with students they um they don't really you know find it funny and and they they get a bit angryYeah so most of the time it's it's the middle category i can't remember what you said consternation  most of the time just this is a bit annoying