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Move Over, Big Oil – Here Comes Big Shovel

The Jacob Shapiro Podcast

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The Geopolitics of the United States

The coast and the interior of the country don't seem to understand that they both need each other, he says. "It's all just kind of ideological mumbo jumbo coming out of Washington" The U.S. seems to have this pattern over and over again where people are probably most ideological about sustainability but aren't having those types of conversations on ESG or governance. But if it's something that we as a group of people collectively say, yeah, we're going to figure this out, I have no doubt that with the right individuals with the right leadership, this can be done.

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