What does hope for America look like in 2025? A new inauguration, a national championship loss, and a 200th podcast episode offer some surprising answers.

This week on They That Hope, Deacon Bob Rice and Father Dave Pivonka, TOR, reflect on what it means to hope—both in the life of our nation and in our own everyday moments. Against the backdrop of recent political transitions and ongoing national tensions, they discuss where real hope can be found: in unity, faith, and the freedom only God can give.

They also take a hopeful look at the power of spiritual direction, the promise of Christian Unity, and the testimony of released hostages from Gaza. With plenty of laughs and some painful football heartbreak (we’re looking at you, Notre Dame), Father Dave and Deacon Bob celebrate their Episode 200 by offering their signature blend of humor and hope in today’s complex world.

Thanks for journeying with us to Episode 200, here’s to hundreds more moments of humor, hope, and holiness.

Highlighted Sections

(00:00) Celebrating 200 Episodes and Football Disappointment
Father Dave and Deacon Bob mark a milestone with their 200th episode and open up about the emotional rollercoaster of Notre Dame’s national championship game. Fr. Dave processes the loss—and a 20-year-old bet with his brother—as a chance to reflect on perseverance, humility, and finding hope in defeat.

(09:36) Spiritual Direction and the Jubilee Year of Hope
The hosts spotlight Franciscan’s School of Spiritual Direction, a transformative formation program that’s helping people walk with others in prayer. Father Dave shares how the Jubilee Mass marks a hopeful new chapter for the Church in 2025.

(12:42) Trump’s Second Inauguration and Where Real Hope Comes From
Reactions to President Trump’s second inauguration include mixed praise and concern. The hosts reflect on how to pray for leaders, move beyond pettiness, and anchor our hope in Christ—not politics.

(22:02) The Release of Hostages and Prayers for Peace
The release of three women held hostage by Hamas for more than 400 days brings a powerful reminder of the suffering still ongoing around the world. Father Dave and Deacon Bob encourage listeners to pray fervently for peace in the Middle East, the end of captivity, and healing for all those affected by war and violence.

(27:30) Christian Unity, the Conversion of St. Paul and Signs of Daily Hope
As the Church marks the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity and the Feast of the Conversion of St. Paul, the hosts celebrate the power of reconciliation, healing, and small signs of hope—including a particularly meaningful ice cube.

Resources Mentioned

Franciscan University School of Spiritual Direction

Paul, Apostle of Christ (film recommendation)

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