I think each generation is kind of growing in that as we move along and I think maybe we're at a point now where we understand that engineers aren't just components of computing power. So it's almost comical when you sort of make that point around over like coming around to realize developers are humans and their emotions matter. We still, we're still struggling to view software developers and development is a human problem not, you know, assembly line or factory widget so I love that point.

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