I think each generation is kind of growing in that as we move along and I think maybe we're at a point now where we understand that engineers aren't just components of computing power. So it's almost comical when you sort of make that point around over like coming around to realize developers are humans and their emotions matter. We still, we're still struggling to view software developers and development is a human problem not, you know, assembly line or factory widget so I love that point.
Matthew and Luke lead Extend’s Developer Experience team, a team that has approached their work in a way that is more forward-thinking than most. In this episode, they cover how they deliver impact at multiple levels of the organization, their journey with productivity metrics, and how they’ve made DevEx a C-level concern.
Discussion points:
- (1:40) How the DevEx team started and where it fits at Extend
- (5:08) Tradeoffs of DevEx reporting into Platform
- (6:40) The mandate and tasks they focus on
- (12:07) The impact of learning and development efforts
- (16:33) How to drive team-level improvements
- (18:44) Why developer experience is becoming more prevalent
- (26:17) How they made DevEx a C-level concern
- (30:27) Their journey with productivity metrics
- (33:10) Advice for presenting DevEx data to executives
- (34:52) The team’s experience using git metrics tools
- (48:30) Being rigorous in leveraging metrics
Mentions and links:
Connect with Matthew and Luke on LinkedIn
Other podcasts mentioned: Manuel Pais; Peloton’s DevEx survey