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You're an Actor at Stanford University
I mean, there's no way that you get to a place where with zero experience directing and producing, and you're going to do well, right? Yeah. When we were 18, 19 years old to try it out. And I'm, I really credit Stanford for being such a welcoming place to do that. But yeah, that started the run of four years of putting on productions, like terrible productions, but still production. Still, yeah.