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Episode 211: Why The Church Matters (feat. Josh Howerton)

Becoming Something with Jonathan Pokluda

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The Worthiness of Criticism

"I don't want to create consumers. Do you agree with that? Like you and I, we don't want consumers," he says. "We're not an amusement park. We do entertain ... if by entertaining, you mean engage their thinking." He adds: "Sometimes people expect it's like the concept creep"

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