The Importance of Joy in the Moment of Making It

If you want to have a long-term relationship with a creative endeavor, you do need to find joy in the moment of making it. I think that's super important. One of the reasons why this podcast is so much easier to do than Map Crow is because I enjoy every second that John and I are talking about stuff. But what were you... You were about to say something, so maybe I can circle back to that.