The Silly Mindset of Russ

C is an interesting example, because I think I'm guessing that as a former member of the Russ core team, you've seen some of this even within the systems programming world. If you're a real programmer, you just know the lifetimes of everything that you're doing. There's a silliness to the aspect of saying like, well, using this tool that is kind of everyone agrees is like really hard to use makes you like a little baby versus me where like I said fault with abandoned.