How Looping (Leverage) Works and Risks

In this episode, Bryce Paul interviews Hadley Stern, Chief Commercial Officer of Marinade Finance, a leading Solana staking platform. They discuss how Marinade enables decentralized staking, the evolution of staking in Solana versus Ethereum, the role of the MNDE token, institutional adoption, ETF strategies, and lessons Stern brought from his leadership at Fidelity Digital Assets. The conversation highlights liquid vs. native staking, decentralization benefits, yield sustainability, and the future of staking in both retail and institutional markets.

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Chapters

0:00 Intro

02:27 – Why use a staking provider?

05:13 – The MNDE token explained

06:37 – CCO role & institutional focus

08:26 – ETFs & regulation

10:24 – Yield sustainability

12:07 – Native vs. liquid staking

14:48 – Looping & leverage risks

16:44 – MNDE value accrual

17:49 – Lessons from Fidelity & TradFi 

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