Cultural Norms of Locker Room Behavior in High Schools

In this episode, we delve into a new theory which questions why the mainstream urban monocultural woke LGBT side of the movement doesn't disown certain controversial individuals. We discuss various historical and contemporary examples, such as Leah Thomas and Alec Va Menon, to highlight how some individuals may exploit trans identity. The conversation also touches on the idea of an enforcer class within the movement that actively targets potential defectors. We critique the impact of these dynamics on both the trans community and wider society, and hypothesize the potential evolutionary benefits and drawbacks. The discussion concludes with reflections on how different cultural norms and behaviors might be tools for identifying and rooting out dissenters.

Simone Collins: Hello Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today. Today we are gonna be talking about a new theory that I had that explained something that had always kind of troubled me, which is why did the mainstream sort of urban monocultural woke LGBT side of that movement? Why did they not disown the sort of degenerate sex PEs types?

When it would turn out that someone that they had pedestal was in that category, or why would they even, was pre-knowledge that somebody was within this category of, of trans why were they not like, oh, well, you know, of course it's, that's not what we're fighting for. You know, this is just, you know, one individual.

This is just, this is an example of like what we don't want. Right. You know? And, and this is something that, that historically other groups did push back against, you know, you, you look at you know, some of the early, like, gay stuff and, and they pushed back against, you know, the, the classic example of like Mr.

Garrison and Mr. Slave trying to get fired by being the over the top outlandish, .

Speaker 10: dun, dun, dun, dun dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. Get along little slave!

Speaker 11: Oh my god!

Speaker 10: That's what our boys were talking about! Ding, ding, ding, ding! He is so courageous!

Speaker 11: But you know what makes me even happier? Sucking balls! Hmm.

Simone Collins: And a lot of gay people historically, like when I was involved in the GSA movement back in the day and everything like that they were really against this stuff. They, they, they, they were against it to the extent that it was framed as being, you know, homophobic to, to act this way because you were creating this negative stereotype of their community.

Mm-hmm. And true. It, it makes your job harder if you accept and pedestal. These sorts of individuals and you would assume that your average person, instead of, you know, going to bat for these people would instead say oh, well that's not, you know, I'll give some examples of this. It always really get me the, the Leah Thomas.

I know it's like anyone, you could argue that, you know, Leah Thomas was not. A central figure of the trans movement in the United States. She was the trans high school swimmer male to female who then, you know, won a bunch of stuff and people were like, Hey, this is totally unfair. When she was a male, she was like losing everything.

And now she's winning everything. And this seems like she had the biological advantage and most people were like, yeah, I mean, pretty obviously. But it, it came out pretty quickly afterwards that she in her locker was flashing what most people would perceive to be male genitals. At the other girls in the locker room this was an accusation that was made in a number of prominent places.

She never, despite speaking adjacent to this accusation, never denied it, never spoke against it. The argument was always like, well, you know, girls have the right to be naked in front of other girls in the, in the locker room, and I'm a girl now, which to me indicates this isn't like some unverified report.

This is something that was definitely happening, right? Like it's also.

Malcolm Collins: I would note that in my entire experience on a swim team, from like middle, all the way through high school. I never saw a naked girl. I, I wanted showered in her

Simone Collins: swimsuits. This is, this is also a really important point. So these days, even, even to an extent to our childhood, but, but, but especially these days.

'cause this is a trend that's been a amplifying intergenerationally. Mm-hmm. It is not culturally normal in American high schools to be naked in the locker room in front of other kids. Mm-hmm. Like what did you do after swim meets? And this was a long time ago before Curtis told you, you told me.

Showered in the swimsuits, right? We showered

Malcolm Collins: in our swimsuits. That's absolutely the case. And you would, you know. Actually shower again and like change clothes at, at home. And also if you went to the bathroom, you wouldn't even like, you wouldn't pull off your swimsuit, you'd pull the bottom aside and pee.

Simone Collins: Yeah. And I never as a, as a man, and this is even a while ago, so this is like 20 years ago, and it's gotten much stricter to the extent that they do private showers on high schools now and stuff like that. When they build new ones, 'cause they go, we build the public ones. Nobody uses them. I don't think I ever saw more than like one or two naked boys.

And this was, and, and this would always be tied to like a very specific sport where it was normalized.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. When we talked about this in another episode, a lot of the people in the comments pointed out that like one exception where it just seems to be. Even obligated is wrestling teams. But I, I get it.

Like at that point, it's like I was on wrestling

Simone Collins: teams. I didn't see it that much. Really? I could, could see it though. Like you get actually sweat and gross

Malcolm Collins: lacrosse teams, so

Simone Collins: I

Malcolm Collins: could

Simone Collins: see people being

Malcolm Collins: like, because the lacrosse teams

Simone Collins: would get actually sweaty and gross. Yeah. Yeah. But like, you don't get that with swimming.

With swimming, it's, it makes sense that you're, you just came out

Malcolm Collins: of a. Chlorinated pool. I mean, you, you wanna rinse off the chlorine? No. The

Simone Collins: point being is your outfit that you swam in is meant to get wet. Yeah. Like that is why it's so normalized to just shower in your swim outfit because it also needs to be cleaned off.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. So the point being is this is an individual who is doing something that was not culturally normal. They were flashing people intentionally. Mm. Okay. ,

Speaker 17: Ah!

Simone Collins: And not, not a single person on the left I saw was like, Hey, we should stop pedestal, this person. Mm-hmm. This is clearly a sex pe who is just getting off on violating other people's consents and using a trans identity to do that.

Like, and as I've always pointed out, if you create an identity like transness and you say, okay, well we do wanna protect people who, who have this condition, right? And we don't want them to be othered. Of course if you say, and to do that, we're gonna say they're not allowed to be criticized for like anything they do.

Of course, sex PEs are gonna use that. Like you and I remember sex PEs from high school, like the sex PE boys, if they had had the option to use this and go into women's restrooms and you know, pressure women. They would've absolutely used this. Th there is a category of that I remember from my childhood, and I was like, well, thank God this identity didn't exist then, because they would've used it to, to pressure themselves on people.

And this doesn't, you know, invalidate that there might be real trans people you can see are other episodes on that particular topic. But what it does in, in invalidate is o obviously. If you normalize this identity and normalize protection for it, some people are going to abuse that. The question is, is when it is clear that somebody is just abusing it, why aren't people pushing against it?

Why aren't people right?

Malcolm Collins: Because it, it can't hurt the movement. I mean, the whole turf movement was in response to this and, and the Supreme Court ruling in the United States that was not in favor of the, the trans movement resulted from this and had. Those lines have never been crossed in the first place.

This would not have happened. We would not see Supreme Court ruling solidifying. A, a conclusion that the trans community would not support

Simone Collins: well, or you see like in our Anna Valen episode, where this is a vice writer in her very first article for Vice is like Vice has hired a monster girl. A fetish artist to their platform.

And, and she, she starts in character with the article, you know, basically forcing you to engage with this fantasy she has. And if it's clear, if you watch all of valent stuff, she's a, a person who just clearly gets off on violating other people's consent. This is, this is clear from. The, the fiction she writes, but also the way she lives her life.

You know, she hasn't had a bottom surgery. She goes into communities, she complains at these communities that the lesbians do not wanna sleep with her. And then sort of fantasizes about, well, them being forced to, to sleep with her. And, and, and cis women, you know, she's written numerous long things about forcing cis women to sleep with her.

Why would you hire somebody who's doing this, who, who's written a lot about, like forest ization? Like if this is a movement that is about normalizing the idea that it, no, this isn't a fetish thing. This is just who I was born. Then why do you you know, give a microphone to somebody who's writing a lot of forced feminization erotic material, right?

Like, and had the long history of this and isn't hiding this within the, the stuff that they're writing. And we've noted other like, horrible things that, that. She has done like using a vibrator with you know, a, a video game that kids were playing that to go off whenever one of the other characters would touch her was obviously without the other people's consent.

But. You could then get people like Alec Vade Menon, who recently got a, a Netflix special. And before getting this Netflix special, something that they had said., I googled what the correct pronouns were is. Little girls are also trans, queer, kinky, devious, kind, mean, beautiful, ugly, and peculiar.

Your kids aren't as straight and narrow as you think they are. Ah, so, so this was in response to the little girls in, in, in seeing him in a, in a bathroom. So he's saying in regards to what he thinks of the little girls you see in a bathroom, him in a bathroom, he's saying, well, you don't know that they're not kinky.

He's saying you, you don't know that they're as straight and narrow as you think they are. He is, or sorry, they are actively fantasizing about the way a little girl is responding to him and that it is. basically about a, a little girl imagining him in a situation, right?, And his supporters.

I love it. Like I tried to get AI to like, be, be honest about this, and it was like, oh no, there's nothing wrong with that tweet. I'm like, how can you say that? Like, it's like, well, kinky can mean other things than, than sexual things. And I'm like, but in this context, it very clearly means. Into what they are seeing when they see this person who does not even attempt to pass in these restrooms. Why doesn't the urban monoculture reject this?

Malcolm Collins: It's a really good question.

Alec Va Menon is a very good example of this because when you look at this individual, somebody who recently got a Netflix special, , they are not somebody who feels that they were born in the wrong body. If you look at the way they dress and the way they attempt to appear, they are somebody that intentionally is like sex pest maxing.

They want to look like. An assailant, that is their entire vibe. , They, they want to make you uncomfortable in the way that they look, and they want you to feel uncomfortable with the way they look.

That is clearly what they are going for. So why is this normalized?

Simone Collins: Interesting question to me. Yeah, because you are losing

Malcolm Collins: a lot of people if you allow that.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm. You're losing a ton of people. There must be some benefit. And I, and I kept thinking through like the logic of this, I just couldn't think of the logic behind this.

Mm-hmm. It did not logically make sense to me.

And so then I started to think, okay, well let's think about this evolutionarily. Alright. Okay. Okay. What evolutionary advantage could one group, because we pointed out one reason why sometimes a culture will adopt a thing like for example. The urban monoculture disproportionately targeting children like Uhhuh.

You really should not be doing like the children books, reading and stuff like that. Mm-hmm. That is, that is, drag queen story hour is something that if you wanted to be like an accepted and, and have people not freak out about your movement is not something you would be doing.

Speaker 5: parents are waking up and saying no.

Speaker: When asked about parents rights, OJ says

Speaker 6: Well, actually, in Canada, parents rights are limited, so the child has the right to be protected from the parents when the parents behave badly.

Speaker: Like village resident Dave Davido Carlo support Soji and limiting parental rights.

Speaker 7: The change that we have to see is sometimes the parents.

Simone Collins: But it turns out that people disproportionately deconvert from their birth culture between the ages of, of 13 and 23, and basically after 33.

23. If they haven't deconverted, they never will. And so you have to catch them at that age range. And so the iteration of the urban monoculture that put prohibitions on targeting that age range or had a a squi about it, ended up dying out and being replaced. Um mm. So it wasn't ever logic that this was a good idea to involve kids in this, it was that this led to high higher cultural growth rates.

So. What I hypothesize as leading to the cultural growth rate is, that when cultures the urban monoculture this is a culture that's involved with like leftism and woke and it's like the dominant culture. Mm-hmm. You know, whether you're in Manhattan or Rio or, or you know, Paris. You know, it's why those regions are all more culturally similar in their norms in taboos and everything like that, that any of them would be from like high fertility, adjacent cultural groups from Manhattan.

Like say Orthodox Jews or Amish, or US or evangelical Christians. Mm-hmm. Who would all be very deviant from each other, but also deviant from that sort of urban, urban. Monocultural group it, it it's become this sort of mimetic virus, right? That, that, unlike other religious organizations, as we've pointed out historically you can look at our video like was Christianity actually more moral, mostly grew by preventing deaths.

I. Preventing infanticide. And very little of it gross came from conversion. In fact if you look at mainstream religious traditions, it's very rare that over 10% of a population will be from conversion. And at the most you will for short periods see populations of around 30%. But even then, that's only often in regions where they have not been exposed to that religion before, and it's basically spreading.

Like you can almost think like a, an invasive species because you just, you just don't have resistances to it. It's new ideas. You have new populations that might be compatible with it. So, once, once it's been for proselytized for a while in an area you, you, you typically don't get those 30% numbers anymore.

Of course this is outside of like extremist cults, but we're not gonna, that's, that's nothing about them. The urban monoculture doesn't grow that way. , IE by, you know, increasing an individual's quality of life, increasing the number of, of kids they have, increasing their mental health increasing the probability of their kids stay in the tradition.

It, it. Sort of hijack somebody's brain like that fungus in ants that then just uses those ants resources to replicate the fungus as much as possible. It doesn't care about the ant or the colony anymore. They don't send the ant in the colony, infect all the other ants, and when it's ready to die. It climbs to a top of a, a, a stock and its head explodes and it spores go everywhere.

You know, same way like when somebody is in an end stage of infection with urban monoculture, they talk about, it basically SAPs all of your vitality for life. And in the end stage of infection individuals basically just plant themselves in front of a computers screaming into the void. Like, that's these people who are sending us death threats and everything like that.

Like, that's why it's so easy to like not you know, consider them fully human anymore because. The type of person who just goes online and like threatens people who they disagree with, without engaging with any of their arguments, like clearly has lost an element of their humanity at that point.

You know, they, they, they are the ant that has, has been eaten except it's, it's sort of their brain that was ified by all this. But anyway. Once a a a region reaches a certain level of infection, you have a problem which is to say that certain individuals may have immunity or they may have come from a cultural tradition that provided them with a degree of immunity, like maybe Evangelical Christian or Orthodox Jew or something like that.

Because most of these traditional systems have a degree of a mimetic immune system built into them. Mm-hmm. To prevent other, you know. Insanity is 'cause the religion, you're supposed to help people. So providing with the medic immune system is useful. So, so do you know if you have somebody who is faking it?

Within these groups, right? Like they might, they might be going along with everyone in public, but in private they might have some sort of a pushback. Mm-hmm. So you need to develop some sort of class or repeated behavioral action, which can out the individuals who are you know, just pretending to go along.

Oh, so

Malcolm Collins: you're saying these sex PEs are like the SS of the.

Simone Collins: They're sort of like an s urban monoculture operation. But yeah. We'll, we'll get to that

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Simone Collins: Now. Hold on. You might be like, well, I mean, what if somebody so, so as an example, right? If you have one of these like, clearly non passing people who demands like weird, they them pronouns like Alec, they menon or something like at your workplace, right?

And, and they're clearly not passing right. People who have a degree of immunity and a degree of integrity are going to struggle with gendering them correctly. Mm-hmm. And, and if they accidentally misgender them, right, like, so suppose they decide to go along with it then this person will like, I.

ACOs him. As you can see, many videos of people doing online of like poor waiters, like accidentally misgendering somebody who doesn't at all look like the gender they're claiming to be. And then they get accosted, their manager gets pulled over and like, how did you expect them to know they're just trying to do their job and like live their life?

Like why would you have this behavior pattern? Why would this behavior pattern be normalized and liked within progressive social media? Right. And then I was like. Oh, it is a great way to fish for potential defectors. And you might say, well, what if somebody's gonna go along, even under these conditions?

Mm-hmm. If they're gonna go along, even under these conditions, they're probably never gonna really defect. They are too scared. They are being constantly reminded every day that you can lose your job if you push and you can't because what this enforcer class does. 'cause often they soon end up with nothing left to live for really quickly.

Mm-hmm. I mean, one of the things we pointed out was the UN. Is she transitioned you know, sort of, I, I, I, I get the impression around like 25 or something, and then hit the wall in her thirties and was like, nobody wants to sleep with me anymore. And it's like, yeah, you, you, you, this is why I, I do not understand transitioning into a woman as a man.

I, you are gonna hit the wall so effing fast. Mm-hmm. And women, like with a man. Your, your life just gets basically easier with Yeah. Your

Malcolm Collins: value in general on, on, in sexual and dating marketplaces increases with time and with women it decreases logarithmically.

Simone Collins: Yeah. And, and with a huge drop off after 30.

Mm-hmm. And so, you, you, you get like three or four years as like a desirable woman and then most of your life as an undesirable woman who's sitting online. You know, in, in, in Aval's case doing you know, fetish content for a source of income and working for a games industry that like nobody is buying into anymore because it went too woke, right?

Like all the, all those publications are shutting down and that's why she can't get work. And so, you have this horrible life, so it's very easy to adopt this enforcer role where your entire life. Is dedicated to finding anybody who is willing to challenge the urban monocultural norms and attempting to destroy their life.

Mm-hmm. And, and is it a surprise that the key person who was calling out Kirsha this, this v YouTuber, we have a couple episodes on what happened to her but she just said. A very true thing, quoting a progressive politician in the uk. , The unchecked regulation around immigration in the UK was leading to demographic shifts and that the immigrants that were having more kids than the native population, and this would further exacerbate demographic shifts.

And this is just like a blatantly true fact. Like obviously, right? Like she can quote a reporter on this, et cetera. But, but she then tried to have her labeled first. In multiple vice articles. This happened in three different vice articles as a great replacement theorist, which, which clearly is not in any sort of, actually problematic form of great replacement theory. And people have called us great replacement theorists as well. And I'm like, what quote bro? Like, and, and then that they, she's tried to have them, like, we can point out math, but math is math, right? Like, are are, are you denying the like.

Statistics. Right. And then she tried to label her a Nazi and she repeatedly just calls her a Nazi in her post for saying that unchecked re immigration in the UK is gonna lead to demographic changes. How, how, how, how, but. That is the system with which this sort of enforcer priest cast uses within the urban monoculture, which is in your body when you get like a foreign element, you have something called an antigen which bonds to it.

Yeah. Which then tells the white blood cells to attack it. And so, these individuals sort of act like an morbid monocultural white blood cell system where one of them will tag anything that they see as showing a degree of immunity. And then kyia, my God. This, this girl has immunity to the urban monoculture.

Anything that might be showing a degree of immunity to the urban monoculture like us or her is one of these antigens. And then all of the other white blood cells know to attack this thing through online comments because they've got nothing left going on in their lives. You know, they've got no family often no real friends.

You know, really small networks. The only people who often care about them, and you see this in a lot of these posts are the people who are passing them around and using them. For sex. And, and we've seen this because a, a number of them, when the whole prep thing was going around and people were freaked out, they're like, wait, why is the government paying for a drug that you would only need if you were having casual sex with strangers?

Like, like orgy parties. And some people were like, I wouldn't have any friends if I didn't do this. Like, what, what am I supposed to do? Right? Like, and you're like, wait. All of your human relationships are by people who are using you for, that's not normal. That's not, that's when I say normal, I, I don't mean like, oh, my way of living is better than yours.

I mean. I, I, I, I struggle to see how somebody could build value in themselves when they're living that lifestyle. Like that's not psychologically healthy, that you've been led down that path. But so these people, you know, they've got all day, they're not really doing anything else to sit around and try to get people fired.

And we've seen this with the Kirs case. You know, they'll call up like, oh look at this hate thing that, so, so and so was posting. Do you wanna fire them? And Kirsha recently did a piece, I think it was on her, was on another case recently where some woke person was claiming that somebody was being transphobic.

And, and you know, it's hard not to be transphobic when you're dealing with facts. Yeah. We, we've pointed out like the, the data is transphobic. Now, you know, the study in 2023 gender discontentedness and gender non-content youth showed that of 13 year olds that identify with another gender around nine and 10 of them identify with their birth gender by the age of they're 23.

This is a phase. And it is an incredibly damaging phase to accidentally normalize because the, the drugs that are being given in terms of puberty blockers to these kids are the exact same drugs often that the Christian extremists used to give to kids who were same gender attracted. So it's it's the

Malcolm Collins: same group.

Isn't that wild? Yeah. Just went through that. Yeah. It's just one form of castration. I fought it, then I

Simone Collins: fight it. No, you know, you, you don't, you don't. Mess with kids biology like that, you know? Especially if their parents aren't consenting to it, which is something we're repeatedly seeing. Yeah. And this is why, well, it seems

Malcolm Collins: like what the most common format is, is this shows up in a divorce or separation.

I.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Where one parent affirms the kid and then they can use that to break the kid off from the other parent. Yes. And they'll also plant these ideas in the kid and stuff like that. And, you know, once you get the kid started on some of these drugs they can't easily like go off, right? Mm-hmm.

You know, it is basically a one-way pass. As soon as that started, as soon as you sent them to an affirming psychologist, it's over. Mm-hmm. And, and that's what's really dangerous when you're looking at a. You know, 50% on a live attempted rate was in this community. Yeah. And yet it turns out that, you know, nine in 10 people, if you just didn't interfere, wouldn't end up in this community.

Which is really scary. We've also talked about and, and if you're talking about like the wider research, when Travis stock was being decommissioned, this was this major trans clinic they went through the data and it turned out that there was a study that showed that, putting young people on puberty blockers with increasing rates of self-harm and increasing rates of attempted UN alive.

And they had blocked this from publication. So they were hiding data, showing that what they were doing was making things worse.

Malcolm Collins: Not cool guys.

Simone Collins: And if you know that this is being done at the places where we can get access, like, or the WPAs files where you get all these leaks where people are like, yeah, these kids have no idea what they're consenting to.

And lots of doctors are saying this in the WPAs files. We know from Travis doc, we know from the very beginning of the industry was the Jo Joe money experiments. That, that data was withheld. He hid that it didn't actually work. That you know why? If it's happening at the beginning and it's happening today, and it's happening everywhere, a place gets decommissioned or a leak happens, shouldn't I assume that it's happening everywhere in between?

Like the, wouldn't that make sense? When I, when I look at the lives of the people, because that's, that's one of the things that I think is really interesting to do is dig into the lives of not the. Trans individuals today who are you know, really public and really famous and really in the public eye like you're Dylan Mulvaney.

But go onto to things like we did in our episode. You know, the life of the C Byte. If you want to or read it, we go into this in more detail. We go into her personal journal like Anna, a valence personal blog, right? Like a, a, a successful but not super successful individual to understand once you get past the euphoria phase.

You, you, which, which a lots of people report, which of course, the hormones that you're taking are causing it. I mean, these are happy drugs for, for the early days that you take them. You know, this incredible burnout. And and, and so when I see that so persistently and, and incredible dissatisfaction with life I, all I can think is, well, and, and think about, as I always say, Valiums is the core.

You know, victim in, in the kyia and valent story. Mm-hmm. I, I say this, not a victim of, of, of, of kyia, but a victim of the urban model. Although

Malcolm Collins: the person who's really had their lives ruined the most.

Simone Collins: Yeah. She, she's got no family now that she could otherwise have. She doesn't have a meaningful job right now, which she otherwise could have had if she did ed her life to helping other people.

She doesn't have job security, which she could have if she hadn't done that, she wouldn't have you know, she went into this community and she, she was horrified. I. To learn that cis women didn't wanna sleep with her. And that the only people who sleep with trans women who don't have bottom surgery are other trans women.

And that the only place she could find an acceptance was within online fetish communities. And that you know, she thought because these people were affirming of trans individuals, that they actually saw them, it's women. And then she learned after engaging with the community that this wasn't the case.

And this is a very much like this isn't on the tent like. When, when people transition, they think all these people that are affirming them and telling them how great and brave they are, are also gonna want to, you know, sleep with them. And they aren't, they, they, they are just following the cultural norms of their environment, right?

They don't, well,

Malcolm Collins: they're this whole dynamic though. It makes me think, I, I feel like we see it across different domains in a way that implies to me that this is just a naturally evolved. Thing in cultures or groups that makes them overall stronger and more competitive. Businesses, for example, often encourage you to fire your bad customers and just keep the power users like that 1% that like accounts for 90% of your income or that 80, that 20% that accounts for 80, right?

And this is a way of weeding out the ones who aren't really invested so that you can invest more. In the ones who are super invested. It also reminds me of gang initiation tactics where like, you have to murder someone to become a member, and by that point you're so committed because you've, you've had to do so much that is otherwise questionable to the average person that now you're super in.

So I, I, I think these high investment. You could call them s**t tests. Yeah. Are pervasive like that this isn't some novel thing or new dynamic that you are describing, which makes me think it's more plausible that that's also what's going on because it really is otherwise intuitively quite strange that people who would give a bad name to the movement, who ultimately do so much PR damage.

Whether or not they mean well or whatever. Even if we just take all of that away, they do a lot of technical.

Simone Collins: Reputation damage. Why are they center? Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Why are they there so consistently and why is there so much defense of them so consistently.

Simone Collins: Yeah. And another thing I note about this aggressor I I sort of call them like enforcer priests or, or an enforcer class within the, the larger.

Urban monoculture, and you see this in the way they act, especially towards like lesbians for example, who are dissenting. Is you regularly see them get very aggressive. Like there's lots of videos about this.

Speaker 18: This is just sad. The guy was feeding the homeless a*****e. Can you do something about the f*****g people are arguing here about to assault me. Can you wipe the up and use your f*****g eyes please? Can I have the same liberty as every.

Simone Collins: These are like the punch A turf people. These are the people who you know, the story that always stuck with me is this lesbian who you know, is on Reddit and, and in the lesbian community on Reddit.

And she assumed that this was mostly like cis women, not a bunch of. Trans woman, right? And one day, like a top upvoted piece was one in which a, a lesbian had said, I don't want to sleep with you to a trans woman. And the trans woman had apparently beaten her. And this was filmed and it was upvoted and all of the top comments were praising the trans woman for doing this.

And she was like, oh my god. Like one, I didn't realize that like your average trans person was pro like physical violence against a lesbian who had a preference for cis lesbians. But it appears. That they are, at least within the community, she thought where she was safe. And now she's like, and now I don't feel safe going to gay bars anymore.

You know, and I, I hear this persistently a across the lesbian community because they don't know if they're gonna be accosted. So if you have a view that is, that is antithetical to these groups, or you're not gonna capitulate to these individuals they, they become very aggressive. On average, and it's, it is not all trans people here.

No. I'm talking about a specific cast of non passing, very aggressive trans people where it's clearly not about seeing as some other gender like, okay. If you were just born in the wrong gender body, right, and you cared about being seen as the other gender and living your life, why would you ever dress like Alec VM?

This is clearly somebody who doesn't want to be seen as, as the other gender. They are somebody who intentionally wants to dress in a way that, that causes the people they're interacting with. To have to suppress any sort of like, like reaction, right? Like they're, they're trying to get you to say something.

And they're getting off on the fact that they know that you can't. There, there is no other explanation for this because they're not presenting like a gender when, when there is an individual who's clearly not trying to pass, but also demanding that you, this is about violating other people's consent and using cultural norms to do that.

Mm-hmm. And I don't know why this isn't something that we talk about more as a society. A portion of the trans movement has become dedicated to. The violation of other individuals consent as a fetish and people who had that fetish have taken this trans identity and are using it. And can you imagine nobody is this hurting more than if they exist?

And you can look at our videos on this like comparing this to anorexia and maybe it's the culture of around illness. But even if it is like anorexia and a cultural bound illness, the people who have it really believe they have it. Real trans people. Nobody is hurt more by this. No one is hurt more by an Alex of Edman or Aaliyah Thomas than somebody who's just trying to live their effing life.

And, and can you imagine the horror, if you opted into this community when you believed that the community was, what is it on the tent? Like if you look at the early people who pushed the movement you know, your Buck Angels or your Caitlyn Jenners you know, the movement has completely turned on because now it's only if, and that's the other thing.

And I think one of the reasons why the urban monocultural sort of enforcement mechanism works so well is, is, is it built a system where anybody who challenged this. Was immediately dissociated. You know what? What is a Buck Angel sin? Buck Angel says you shouldn't transition underage people. That is why they were expelled from the movement.

You know, Caitlin Jenner, I think Matt said something similar or supported Trump. I don't remember. But whatever they had a thought crime. Now you can't talk about. It did not

Malcolm Collins: show complete compliance with the political line. I.

Simone Collins: Yeah. And this is, this is why lesbians should all vote Republican.

So they, well, I mean, I've pointed out from the perspective of a lesbian and it's one of those things that I hadn't really thought about as a guy. When I think about like the physical differences between men and women if you guys know like war hammer, there's like space parades. There's these guys who are like.

10 feet tall or whatever. Imagine if one of them like came up to you in a space where you previously felt safe and started like pushing you around because that is what somebody who's born in a male body often feels like to a cis lesbian. You know, they're often significantly larger than them. They have significantly more muscle mass than them.

And, and starts pushing them around and being like, Hey, like, you know. Suck my girl D right? Like, or I'm gonna beat you up or I'm gonna, you know, get you expelled from this bar so you can never come back. Have your friends never talk to you again. I'm gonna constantly call up your work and try to get you fired, which is the behavior we constantly see from this community.

You're gonna feel very, very threatened. Like the degree of one of the things that I persistently see when I watch, you know, trans people videos online is they're just mortified transphobia people who go on a date with them and then you know, get angry or don't wanna sleep with them because the person didn't tell them they were trans.

They're like, well, you know, why should it matter to them? Well, I mean, it's their choice whether it matters to them. What the do you mean? Why should it matter to them? They get to choose what turns them on and what doesn't turn them on. You don't get to force yourself on them, and it's like, oh yeah, I forgot the whole violation of consent.

Kink has become normalized and. I'm not saying that this is like something I am projecting onto the community. This is something Anna Valence you know, has repeatedly talked about. Oh, how wouldn't it be great? Like, the, the world that we are fighting for is one in which cis women are, are tied up and, and, and forcibly bred by trans women.

Until. We're, we're gonna destroy their peace so much that you're just gonna have to trade them out for other women. It's like, and she goes on for quite a while with this explanation. And I was like, this is not, this is, this is it. You can't just say this as a joke, which is what they tried to say afterwards.

You can't just say, oh this is clearly meant for, for erotic purposes. And I say that because I have two my chagrin to try to better understand this individual. Read their erotic literature, they post to erotic sites, and it is the same things being talked about within post fears. They're just trying to force other people to engage with this without their consent.

Which is not okay, but for whatever reason, they think this is normal.

Malcolm Collins: I think your theory is compelling. It's just so, it's so wild. And it, it, it sucks because absolutely nobody wins from this. Yeah. Yeah. At least, you know, in, in some scenarios I'm like, well, at least you know, this group profits, this group benefits. But here the antigen detector people who, the people who take those roles.

Really don't,

Simone Collins: no. Their lives become horrible nightmares. Cr Thete episode,

Malcolm Collins: and obviously the people who are tested by them and put in these very uncomfortable positions, they certainly don't win. They're put in terrible positions, whether they're expelled from the community or whether they're put, you know, sort of forced into saying and doing things that make them deeply uncomfortable.

And then, you know, the rest of the community doesn't really benefit either because it's not like their rights are being promoted. Like, and what Yeah. What ends up happening is the rights of the antigen individuals get promoted, which don't help anyone else in the community. And then those antigen people don't even, they're not even happy.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Because what they want is, is. In insatiable and also impossible. So well,

Simone Collins: and it just doesn't provide a good life. A constant search for self-affirmation and pleasure leads to. A terrible life. Like, that is, that is not the way humans are constructed, even from

Malcolm Collins: a, a hedonic perspective. No. Even from

Simone Collins: a hedonic perspective.

Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, yeah.

Simone Collins: It feels good for a bit as, as you see in valent's writings and then life loses all purpose and they become a hako Maori that just yells at people on the internet and tries to get people fired all day because they can only feel like hints of happiness from the destruction of other people's lives.

That, that, that validates their choices. 'cause it makes them feel like they're on the good guy's side. I mean, of course they're on the good guy's side. Their actions are definitionally good. It couldn't be that they made a terrible mistake and are driving and, and, and, and, and trying to convince other young people to make this same mistake.

Malcolm Collins: Hmm. And,

Simone Collins: and as we saw with Anna vns, she is, she has talked a lot about targeting you know, with Gen Z, it was just like 13 to 19 or like 13 to 21. She's like, that's the primary age range I date these days, and this is someone in their thirties.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, right. Yeah. Like I just realized these are the ones that,

Simone Collins: and it's like, well, this is also good from a conversion perspective because you are psychologically destroying these individuals.

And, and, and helping spread, you know, this mimetic sort of plague, but like all the rest of us understand that like can sense really murky when you're dealing with like that degree of age gap.

Malcolm Collins: I don't know. I mean, we just recorded an episode on marriages to, in individuals who are quite young and I don't know, like at this point I'm like, oh, what?

Like, you know, 18, 19, 20. Is great. Wow. This is so much better than, than, than what some other cultures are looking at. Nine. Yeah, the nine. Yeah. That's, this is great. They're fine. I'll take it. Go ahead. Yes. So I really don't know anymore. I've, I've just, I'm so lost. I just, I just wanna hide in our beautiful little farmhouse so we create, well, that's it.

Kids have, and just make a beautiful world and make a beautiful future and hope that. We outpace and outcompete and outnumber eventually these, these other groups because they're too miserable to keep going.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Well, like, comment and subscribe I guess. Check out if you like to learn educational systems that won't brainwash your skids kids check out pia.io or the Collins Institute, which will link to that.

They're even fun. Oh, yeah. And plugs

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Malcolm, she's also working on some hardware. What's that? Prenatal is

Simone Collins: like ai, that's like Christian and stuff for kids. The, the guy shared with us, it's called like, Virgil. Yeah. That, that might be it. I I can also post a link to that one. Yeah. Yeah, so

Malcolm Collins: there's, there's a lot of cool stuff that our, our listeners are, are up to.

You're part of a great community. Malcolm leaves the, the link for the discord in the comments on most of our videos. So if you wanna hang out with base campers more, check out the comments.

Simone Collins: Yeah. It's a community of saying people from diverse backgrounds, actually diverse backgrounds. You know, we, we've got our, our, our, our detransition, we've got our, you know, catholic Roman mass types. We've got our Orthodox Jews. We got our atheists, but our annoyed was the urban monoculture types.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

Simone Collins: We got a, we got a smattering of everyone.

Malcolm Collins: You're in good company here.

Simone Collins: All right. Love you to

Malcolm Collins: DeSimone. I love you too, Malcolm. I'm gonna go down and take my chances with the sushi.

Don't start

Simone Collins: cutting the, the ingredients so I can show you how like. Make sure you don't misunderstand in terms of how thin it should be,

Malcolm Collins: then in an ideal world come down in 10 minutes before the kids are here. Okay?

Simone Collins: Okay. I'll do that. All

Malcolm Collins: right. I'll see you in 10 minutes. Love you,

Simone Collins: love.

Malcolm Collins: Okay, so with your sushi denial, I was just thinking about it. I think one thing, if you're open to it. Is, you know how like with a lot of traditional sushi recipes, you're just supposed to make like little sticks that you put into the roll. What if I just made instead fine confetti? Because one of the problems with It'll cut

Simone Collins: better.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Is it like you try to cut the sushi pieces, but then like, it's kind of like when you eat a hot dog and you like take a bite and like the hot dog just comes outta the bun and you're like, come on, this is. This is,

Simone Collins: you know, you should probably try that with one and try it was out with another, so like,

Malcolm Collins: make two rolls and one with a, I think

Simone Collins: when you actually put in the right amount of ingredients, it's going to be much easier to cut.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, we'll see. But I mean,

Simone Collins: it's supposed to be thin, thin strips. Not big honkeys.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. But then there's still, it's the, it's like. Cutting a sausage with floss inside, like the string just goes with it, even when it's a fine.

Simone Collins: Okay. Try cutting it up then if you think it's gonna be easier, try cutting it up.

I mean, it's, the flavor's not gonna be different. The question is, is will it stay together? But I think it's

Malcolm Collins: way more likely to stay together if I make it into confetti. Okay. If, if we're, if we're not gonna follow the rules, I'm, I wanna do it the way that I think will actually work instead of the way that Right.

Apparently people follow the rules. It doesn't work.

Simone Collins: Yeah. And this is the point to figure out how to make better sushi.

Malcolm Collins: Okay, well

Simone Collins: then let's try that. Let's.

Oh yeah. Question. Yeah, the comments how were they on today's video?

Malcolm Collins: Oh, good. Yeah, just a lot of people expressing their dismay, sadness, and

Simone Collins: Elon was being

Malcolm Collins: a, at the, at the conflict, but then also being like, Hey, Elon's in, in a difficult position. And then people being like, oh, Elon's already Trump tweeting again.

Don't worry, we're back to normal. Nothing ever happened. Which I, I don't think we're quite back to normal yet, but you know, I, look, look, they've like hated they've, they've traded, they've sparred online before, like in a pretty Yeah, you know, I would say pretty serious way. It's not like they're gonna not be able to come back from this.

So I would say the mood is overall cautiously optimistic.

Simone Collins: We'll see all. I mean, I think people are glad that we're sort of seen as the figureheads of the trans movement and probably not him for the trans

Malcolm Collins: movement.

Simone Collins: Not the trans movement, the prenatal movement. Sorry. 'cause we're doing trans in this episode.

No, I mean,

Malcolm Collins: redheads here.

Simone Collins: It's, it's, it's, you know, you don't have to worry about us going off crazy. We're, we're predictably crazy. The, the crazy things we're gonna say, I think are fairly predictable. I, I, I don't think that often we get a take and somebody's like, I did not expect you guys to, you know, I said, you guys were great.

I didn't expect you to do this. Except for the people who didn't at all believe that we were gonna go right. And when we told them we were going to, they're like, no, you won't really or that we were going to start a religion. They're like, no, you're not really gonna do that. And they're like, wow, you really like, did that, did that all.