Cooper Union

I like this conflict between fine art as art, which exists just for its own sake and commercial art that has a specific intended purpose. Can you tell me a little bit about studying and being at Cooper Union what kind of things did you pick up there how did it change you from the person you were before? I was around these amazing creative people from all over who all gathered together at this special school. It didn't really prepare me for life in the world. And it's why I'm very happy with where my son chose to go to school as opposed to a fine art school.