i feel like i've seen so much transition in this space and so much evolution. And then in the last couple of years, explosion. Last time i checked, i thing, ye, something like four million shows out there. But, um, it's quicker to count my friends who don't have podcasts of therdon it it te astone. It's amazing. I can't claim credit for the original idea of founding rashley speaking. That belongs to massimo and our producer, benny pollik,. We recorded out of his apartment in greenwich village for the first few years of the podcast.

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