The Collaborative Approach to Security

Sgrak: I think humans come together well over food, and i think the bringing together and breaking of bread together is probably not a bare place to start if you're not experiencing that culture. One of the things tat was really successful was sitting down wit one of the enterprise devots people who was now trying to build a bunch of stuff. We did drink several coffees, which is always excellenta but we came up with the we'll just wel we'll keep in touch and we'll, we'll kind of collaborate on this. And then it just gets momentum, and you do more of it, and you build communities or practice than you get developers talking of secure people at