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"We've got to get up and live our lives, even though there will be people out there exploiting others," she says. "If I have to wait until someone comes along and solves all the systemic things before I can do productive and constructive things, I'm going to be in trouble as well." 'Learn how to play the game in spite of the fact that there are other participants in the game who are definitely breaking the rules,' Obama adds.
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