If you do for one, let's make sure we pay attention to the other. And so I see if they've got corresponding on employee side, that tends to tell me, are they even open? Are they doing pieces and parts of what I'm talking about already? The second thing is, do they have advisory boards for customers? Very common, right? A customer advisory board. Do they have an employee advisory board and not around employee resource groups? I don't mean like ERGs. Let's just say about technology. So you're going to do something to the employees about what tech they use at work. Has the employee advisory board given you feedback, right? Because many of

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