The Most Beautiful Lotus Grows Out of the Dirty Mud

"This is how stars explode, and they became us," Ely says. "It's like the lotus, the most beautiful lotus, grows out of the dirtiest mud,. It's like, growing out of shit, essentially." He adds: "When are we going to get the message that the garden has always whispering to us?" The interview airs tonight at 10 p.m. ET on CNN.