The pressure to produce is one of the two things that makes leadership so difficult. You can take somebody who's a toxic leader and ask them, what are the important leadership traits? They can probably give you a great list. But that's not what they do. That's also why you can meet someone in a social environment and you're like, oh, this person's great. I'd love to work with that. And then you talk to someone who actually works for them. It's like that for no clothes. You need a way for somebody to tell you not to learn any pants"

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