The Importance of Value After Hours

I was watching all of these podcast guys that I could find on YouTube. This is just like Rogan's, if you go watch his early ones, he's just sitting in his kitchen. And it's just like he gets some dude talk for a long enough time that he actually starts saying what he really thinks. So then I was just like, the problem that I have with the other podcast is that no matter how casual you make it, everybody's selling something. That's only because I've done this enough times and failed enough times in this that I'm just not going to let this business fail at or ever.