The New Meta Space Emerging

I saw that you were included in some of the early, there was a meta theory in the 21st century book and I happen to see your name as listed as one of the people. And now all of a sudden there's this new, to me, this is a new meta space emerging, right? And certainly the Baskar Wilbur is a good indication of that. In fact, I should have been more aware of Wilbur than I was. Oh, that guy's, you know, he's not a real academic. Yeah. Well, I guess then you, yeah, let's say we'll, so we'll fast forward now. So then go ahead.