Rigtee Lesley: Sometimes the web is so incredibly complicated. Oftentimes the trash is a metaphor for years of hurt. And it can be, ye, it can be incredibly tricky to unravel. That's when you really need third party help. She says that by the time a couple decides they need help, there has been such an entrenchment of these stories and patterns.Leslie: If we were to start working on that, not telling ourselves stories, way earlier in the game, it's hard to fix.

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