The Dangers of Mechanistic Interpretability in Machine Learning

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The vast majority of capability gains in machine learning have not come from advances in transparency or insights about how models work. To me interpretability and mechanistic interpretability could be like a way if it can work to develop AI systems where we understand that middle like process between our specification of the system and the AI system being able to actually execute and achieve that goal. This second reason that I think it has like a greater positive side to a negative side is that it plausibly gives us a way of designing and understanding AI systems in a different way to the current understanding of systems.

Arthur Conmy sits down with Nathan Labenz for an accessible deep dive into the state of interpretability research online today. They discuss how pioneering researchers have painstakingly worked to isolate the sub-circuits within transformers that are responsible for different aspects of AI capabilities. Arthur also introduces us to a new ACDC approach that he and his co-authors have taken to automating some of the most time-consuming parts of this work. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(04:40) What attracted Arthur to mechanistic interpretability?

(07:49) LLM information processing: General Understanding vs Stochastic Parrot Paradigm

(14:00) ACDC paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2304.14997

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(24:30) Putting together data sets

(32:39) How to intervene in LLMs network activity

(36:00) Defining metrics to evaluate the production of correct completions

(44:20) The future of the mechanistic interpretability research

(50:00) Extracting upstream activations in the ACDC project and evaluating impact on downstream components.

(56:00) Anthropic research findings

(01:08:00) 3-Step process of the ACDC approach

(01:22:00) Setting a threshold and validation

(01:27:00) Goal of the approach

(01:32:00) Compute requirements

Correction: at (01:33:00), Arthur meant to say = "quadratic in nodes"

(01:35:30) Scaling laws for mechanistic interpretability

(01:40:00) Accessibility of this research for casual enthusiasts

(01:46:00) Emergence discourse

(01:56:00) Path to AI safety

LINKS:

https://arthurconmy.github.io/

https://arxiv.org/abs/2304.14997

@labenz (Nathan)

@arthurconmy (Arthur)

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