Jeff Williams retirement and design leadership

A look back at Apple’s 2025, with special guest Rene Ritchie.

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Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.

Links:

• The classic Mac OS Appearance Manager and its support for (rather garish) themes:
  • ATPM, August 2000: “GUI Junkie: Schemin’ and Themin’” by Christopher Turner. Includes screenshots.
  • Wikipedia: Appearance Manager.
• Luria Petrucci celebrates 20 years on YouTube.
• Steve Jobs on product people vs. sales/marketing people, back in the early 1990s.
• John Browett’s brief tenure running retail at Apple back in 2012. His sacking was effectively a footnote in the announcement that Apple had parted with Scott Forstall.

This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.