"I come out of a tradition, and intellectual tradition, that sees the true, the good and the beautiful as essentially connected," he says. "A math proof can be very moving, right? Am, and so can a symphony." He adds: "To call human excellence wasteful is is a dark moment"
Philosopher Jennifer Frey of the University of South Carolina talks about the state of the university in American education. Frey urges a stronger focus on virtue and human flourishing and a reduced focus on career preparation. Roberts, despite his sympathy with the examined life, challenges the virtue of philosophical enquiry. At the end of the conversation, both guest and host defend philosophy.