In order to have some kind of standardization, everyone has to agree on A technology quite early. I think that's why I call that a moonshot that it is more or less coming there in the next three, four years. The same thing will happen in steel, the same thing will happening in fertilizer. Each of them, this is why I think physics can only take certain role. You can't just fast forward or just hit the fast forward button and hopefully you'll get to the end"

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