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What Was Your Idea for Success for Yourself?
"I knew that I was supposed to, and I know a lot of people say these things and it doesn't always necessarily pan out for them," he says. "When you're a kid, you absolutely believe everything because you have nothing but often, there's no thing that is happening in your life to shut your optimism and your hope down like that." He adds: "It's not until later when you've run up against wall after wall and, and you know, rejection after rejection that you start being like, okay, listen, hop along"