The War in Ukraine

Ukraine is an example in the way as it shows that, look, there is something more important at a certain moment. But I think what European world, American world should also realize that it's also under attack. And you need to defend itself with the new tools. You need to keep both capacities to talk, but also to fight when it is needed. We are really now, I think we're entering the world of the new polarization, of the new global conflict and this bipolar or multipolar world," he says.