I'm always amazed when i meet people whom i worked with 20 or 30 years ago and they say, well, that that experience in that group was, you know, one of the highlights of my life. So i guess i'm not answering yhe question directly, but i would say that what i'm trying to in my work, or in rios work and in these books, is just to point out there is another way, and it is possible. And here's a hundred times it was done and the resultsi produced. I'm just trying to change the default mode from forcing to collaborating.

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