In this episode of The Eric Ries Show, I’m joined by Emil Eifrem, Co-Founder and CEO of Neo4j, an open-source graph database. Neo4j enables organizations to unlock the business value of connections, influences, and relationships in data.
In our conversation today, we talk about the following topics:
• The origin story of Neo4j and why they chose open source
• Open source as a means of production vs. distribution
• How open source fosters trust and transparency
• The pros and cons of doing business in the US
• Why Neo4j updated their values and changed their stance on military contracts
• What a Leader’s Guide is and how it keeps companies tied to their mission
• The challenges of implementing AI
• An explanation of RAG information retrieval and how it relates to LLMs
• And more!
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Where to find Emil Eifrem:
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emileifrem/
• X: https://x.com/emileifrem
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Where to find Eric:
• Newsletter: https://ericries.carrd.co/
• Podcast: https://ericriesshow.com/
• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theericriesshow
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In This Episode We Cover:
(00:00) Intro
(01:42) How Eric and Emil got connected
(07:35) The origin story of Neo4j
(13:38) Why Emil went with an open-source model
(20:25) The benefits of being open source as a means of distribution
(25:07) Why Emil has no regrets about going open-source
(26:50) How open source builds trust
(30:33) The difference in doing business in the US vs. Sweden
(35:34) How Neo4j got to product market fit and early struggles
(38:30) Why Neo4j declined the GSA schedule and why it was a mistake
(46:22) Emil’s thoughts on changing his position, reworking values, and recommitting
(51:40) Eric’s advice to avoid mission drift: A leader’s guide, and a two-way review
(1:00:04) The challenge of implementing AI—and the possibility of massive opportunity
(1:09:20) How Neo4j successfully implemented AI
(1:11:55) An explanation of IR (information retrieval) and how it’s relevant to AI
(1:22:44) What gives us trust in the AI system
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You can find the transcript and references at https://www.ericriesshow.com/
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Eric may be an investor in the companies discussed.
