I Don't Want to Talk More About the Debt Thomas Jefferson Did

Eugene: I feel like it was a gradual scale of awareness. It should have been more harsh. And so it comes back to this day. The next Thanksgiving, which you touched on earlier, Eugene is like, you want to let Wes have the fun of like Thanksgiving and thinking about like the, the festival,. But then also at one point there's the harsh reality of, oh, yeah, I mean, he would just explain how it's really become more of a secular American holiday, but it's based on kind of kind of a difficult history.