And that's just step one. Step two of this initiative is the 65 thousand square foot vegetable garden that chateau trelong mondeaux is just beginning with the aim adding more and more vegetables into each and every meal the restaurant serves. More than that, the vegetable garden will also serve as a well being project for the winerys employees with a vegetable bucket each week to go to every person on staff, c s a style. To learn more about the winery and its initiatives, head to w w w dot talong dash mondea dot com. That's t r o p l o n g sh m o n d o t dot com. And now here's our conversation with kate orf

high. Kate, welcome too. At a distance at so great to have you with us to day. Thanks.

Very excited to talk to you. So

i just wanted start with a one of the most broad things. I quote that you say that there's no more natural nature. What does that mean? I

think everyone has experienced this in their daily lives. It sounds like a conundrum, but something you can look out your window and almost see immediately. One of the things that i have noted, just working in the physical landscape in my entire life, is just that we have ly changed almost every square inch of the planet, intentionally or not. Whether it's by converting the vast flood plain of the mississippi river delta into corn and soi bean, or changing the temperature at the poles, you know, we have profoundly impacted the physical natural systems that have sustained us. And a big point that i try to in every context is that now nature is a matter of design, that it's not that we can depend on thick, robust forests to clean our air and preserve our soil. We can't depend upon oyster reefs to help protect our shores, or coral to buffer waves. These are now systems that are extremely imperilled, not just in the us, but around the globe. But of course, the us. Has been my focus. So the point in saying there's no natural nature is to kind of try to shake everybody, give them the wake up call, and say that we can't assume that the physical landscape just exists as of a passive background. We have to actively make it. We have to shape it with our own hands. We have to invest in it. We have to nurture it, love it and

grow it back. And of course, connected to that, you've spoken a lot about the concept of regenerative design, which is another thing that i think we hear, but we don't necessarily understand completely. So maybe you can help us understand what this is, and how it's sort of different from some of the current resilience strategies that are in place, or have been in place in the last century. Design,

for me, know, when i came into lands architecture, it was very much about, i don't say objects, but sort of objects in space and photographs and very beautiful gardens or, you know, a park which is designed in just this way. And i feel like that's a kind of design which is really more about, like, service basd or client based. I feel like regenerative design takes on much more holistically. All the challenges that we have in front of us. May not just be a thing or a sight for a rich person. It's trying to hit the reset button and put back into motion and reconnect all the factors that make a successful living landscape, that include people, flora, fauna and the entire mixture of this sort of human system that we've made. I wrote a book with the amazing photographer richard misreck called petrochemical america. And in that book, i kind of charted the collapse of the american landscape and our dependence on fossil fuel and extraction. And it described this kind of one way economy that created ta landscape of extraction and the landscape of waste. And, you know, of course, a public health crisis. So s feel like regenerative design is like the opposite of that, right? So what is a kind of design process that would lead to empowerment of people? What is a design process that would not be rooted in extraction principles and would be built from cleaner energy? And then what would be a design that is sort of engaging people in its formation and its kind of long term success? It's ind of trying to pull all those pieces

together. I'm sure there's a shorter answer. Nono, that was perfect. And i mean, i think you represent a big group that's working in that, and i think you describe it really well help us understand it. But in your mind, what is the kind of next century in for structure going to kind of look like, or what would you like it to look like, and what concepts would you like it to employ? And then how does this connect to re wilding? What is the relationship there? Which is a word we hear a lot now, yes,

and also the word infa structure.