i have no problem with people who do the vegan thing i mean but they have to remember that they're killing plants and plants are fully in our evolutionary scheme. So this idea that somehow uh animal consciousness and animal experience um is something that we need to protect more than plant experience is a judgment call  and it's kind of a selfish one, he says. Why the world wildlife fund chose the panda as its logo instead of the cockroach or something not a cockroach yeah okayuh let's kind of wrap it up here so i want to push you beyond the page here for a few minutes though beyond the book that is to sayyou don't talk much about politics in here.

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